AT this point we have three Janes about. Nanna, President Jane, and corporate evil Jane. Nanna, though perhaps with an implied bit of cruelty in her, kept in check with humor and pranks, is Jane at her very best given her circumstances. Corporate Jane is jane at her total possible worse, completely consumed by delusion and hatred, groomed into it by Gamzee's bard influence. She is practically another incarnation of the Condesce.Joyfulldreams wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:58 pmThis is kind of wrong because it was kind of a plot point that Jane had no idea the batterwitch was even a thing? Like, much of the beginning of act 6 is about how she refuses to believe this is the case, because it directly contradicts her expectations. And she...WAS groomed for the position, which is partially why she was brainwashed by the Condesce. Evidence for this is how she starts talking to Jake when she is brainwashed--the whole 'being an immortal queen with a million babies' thing? It's sort of implied the Condesce planned on at least using Jane as some sort of figurehead to hold down the fort while she goes and does a bunch of conquering, not too unlike how she used the Heiresses on Alternia before she murdered them. No idea how long she planned to keep that up for, though. Might have killed both Jane and Jake at some point later if she felt like it. Seems fairly on-brand for the Condesce to do that.Dream Muttman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:47 pmJane was raised to believe she would one day replace a bisexual alien dominatrix as CEO, and she was not groomed for the position because that'd be a disgusting breach of Alternian protocol.
Do note that at age 16 she does literally live in a little suburban house with a white picket fence, and Jane's repression is caused just as much by society at large than it is by the condesce in particular, so I don't think it's too unreasonable to think that the sort of *aesthetic* of 50's suburbia has buried itself into her mind like a particularly grotesque parasite. Also, there is an alternate version of herself who does actually just marry a guy and have a kid and live in quaint suburbia with a joke shop until she dies--and that version DOES know about all the alien stuff. That kind of reveals a facet of her...innermost potential that reveals this to be a path in life she is potentially likely to go down for various reasons or other.Dream Muttman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:47 pmJane has no "white picket fence" future laid out for her, just a company to run and a fortune along with it.
The rest of your rebuttal isn't wrong which is also part of why I love Jane. It's not completely unreasonable for her to not know her friends on that complex a level because knowing someone that deeply IS hard! Also, she's a 16-year-old girl, in what planet would a 16-year-old's first dude crush be anything other than surface-level infatuation??? But her problems with repression, and the ways in which her ignorance are self-imposed, are also true, and complicate things for her significantly. (This is why I love the alphas and their complexities. Their problems are both ridiculous but also completely understandable?)
The one in the middle is President jane, the alpha Jane. Foolish yet with good intentions, not an actual threat but definitely not a mostly benign cookie slinging grandmother/mom. Still in the middle and could end up either way, with both the jokester angel and the corporate devils at her shoulders.
The interesting thing is that if Jane was forced to awaken her ultimate self, she would have to face both facets. Would like to think the jokester angel wins out, but Jane would probably be traumatized by the depths of depravity and cruelty she is actually able to sink to.
Think what is far worse than remembering the ill fates of other incarnations of oneself, would be the memories that reveal your capacity for cruelty and evil. Its probably what drove Dirk towards his current fate. Compared to Rose who awoke and was not significantly changed, short of her feeling very distant to those around her. She ultimately cried over being separated from her wife.... How many roses fell in love with Kanaya?