Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

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Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by PurplePest29 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:13 am

First of all, he did nothing wrong within candy. He had gotten this whole healthy ass kismesis with Jane up and running and was spreading his religion (which turned out to be *true*, by the way).
Just a good working troll member of society.
All the bad shit related to him were not actually his fault but Jane's!

Pre retcon? Sure, he went on a murder rampage, but he eventually went and revived his friends. Clearly making amends! Infact he even revived trolls he himself did not kill. Probably more than made up for the damage he did.

And what thanks does he get? Stuck in a fridge. Stuck in a fridge and stopped from reviving his friends post retcon. Rip Eridan and Feferi, i guess.



Alright, in the end, he does have some serious problems. Although Terezi was totally killing him the fuck down, he was still alive and went bonkers angry when he maybe shouldnt have. Though you cant really blame him.... he can blame him for going so far, though.

But post retcon gamzee didnt do that. Yet he gets stuck in a fridge and then MURDERED by Vriska!! As of current time, Vriska has killed just as many people as Gamzee, yet recieved no penance. She is free to murder hella redeemed psycho clowns like its free parking.
All im saying is. Cut the clown some slack now that we're in hs2. His clown religion was fulfilled and he no longer has any evil demons whispering in his ear. Let him have his redemption arc >:(


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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by RoyalFiddle » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:52 am

It seems like an absurdity to say that Candy Gamzee did nothing wrong when he literally and intentionally pushed Jane further and further into her Condy given Fascist tendencies using an unhealthy Kismesis that harmed a (admittedly shitty as fuck and based on kinda sexual assault) Matespritship and emotionally abused their child. And even before that, in the pre-retcon timeline he fucks up several kernalsprites, screwing the post scratch kids even further, and, ya know, is one of the contributing factors towards Game Over's shit show. AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, he took advantage of a grieving Terezi for his fucked up abusive Kismesiship that make both parties worse off.

Gamzee isn't good, and the amount of fucked up shit he's done (Way, way more with Vriska with no guilt or effort to change) is far beyond the point of redemption

He is the perfect example of a neglected child creating and furthering a cycle of abuse.
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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by PurplePest29 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:18 am

Gamzee isnt in meat yet Jane is still fascist-like. Infact, i dont think hes affected her that way at ALL.

The kernal sprites was reviving his friends and game over was mostly aranea's fault. He wouldnt have even been there if not for her. If he was anyway, then Terezi wouldnt have been able to stab him so badly while he was so pacified. Idk, maybe he wouldnt have raged so hard? His mission at the time of setting up lord english was pretty opposed to interfering any further with the characters at all though.

He EASILY has the aptitude for bad, but within Candy timeline itself, he hasnt done much outstanding. Not that much more than Vriska. Also, remember, Ghost vriska is the redeemed one. not this clown murderin 1.



I assume his business with Terezi was pretty abusive.

I think the epilogues were suggesting Gamzee was kinda like a juggalo ver of Bro for Tavros? We'll have to wait and see how much he actually managed to do. Ngl tho, better than he would have been, left to Jane? He was like a servant.


Vriska on the other hand crippled tavros just cus she didnt like him and thrn wasted all his time during their session by training him or something. Stopping him from actually doing his own quest or improving. Then she kills him.
Now that i think about it, if we're taking into account Game Over (which im not cus it didnt happen anymore), then what about the time Vriska got ALL the trolls killed by fighting Jack? Even tho Terezi told her it would happen.

Gamzee could have a real redemption arc and at the very least doesnt deserve to die to some flightly spider girl, not in candy.
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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by BrobyDDark » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:25 am

PurplePest29 wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:18 am
Gamzee could have a real redemption arc and at the very least doesnt deserve to die to some flightly spider girl, not in candy.
He can't have a redemption arc. He clearly doesn't show any actual feelings of remorse, he just doesn't know what else to do. The only people who ACTUALLY want him to have a redemption arc are Roxy and Calliope, who kinda forced the whole issue.

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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by Shitpost Lizard » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:39 am

Every iteration of Gamzee deserves to die.
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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by calamityCons » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:47 pm

The reason Gamzee is such a black hole of evil is because of a shitty writing decision that got doubled down over and over again because the original twist was so poorly handled and stupid that fans like me always hated it. The continued beating of the dead horse that is “Redeem Canon Gamzee” is just a repetitive and annoying assertion that “Gamzee is bad and we will do everything possible to make him the absolute worst thing in this comic until you agree that he is bad.”

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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by pfeffer-29 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:43 pm

yep

that's it
you can pry karezi out of my cold dead hands

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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by harmoniousCalamity » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:17 am

Yeah it's really unfortunate, I would've liked to see more of gamzees real character that wasn't just....whatever we got, and on the same topic of being double downed on, they really are trying to make Jane truly evil huh?
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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by calamityCons » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:53 pm

It's so disrespectful and not fun at all to watch these characters get pounded into the ground about their Evilness. There is no character-focused reason for these characters to be so blatantly antagonistic and cartoonishly evil that I can see, they are just square pegs shoved into round holes. Gamzee has nothing left to him in canon besides his status as a black hole of evil, and Jane is an antagonistic force that is supposed to be driving the plot forward I guess, but like, in a way I couldn't give less of a shit about. Jane was not engaging to me to begin with, and she proceeded to continue being unengaging because now she's unsympathetically a bastard.
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Re: Candy Gamzee didnt deserve to die

Post by PurplePest29 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:38 am

It could be valuable to see his worser side if we could at least see his great, outstanding side a little more. But the story tries to make his kindness early on a mistake, which, is kinda true for someone of his caste but not anymore. Especially not on earth C.
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