Chapter 3 is out my dudes

[thorondraco]

THEY'RE WEARING EACH OTHER'S SHIRTS

I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE THIS SAVED ME

If Meulin could see this she would unleas the vast SQUEE, which would deafen all.

[BrobyDDark]

This update was bland.

It was nice seeing Kanaya again though, and the start was funny.

[TH4NK YOU B3N]

I'm glad we're getting a lot of variety in terms of character focus

I'm not. It's not that satisfying to wonder what's going to happen when there's so many more perspectives we have to loop through (I think there's at least Aradia and Candy Dave? But there's probably even more than that) before we get back to whatever character we're invested in, even if it's all of them. It's not so much about the monthly/fortnightly update schedule as it is the inability to adjust its formula to it. There's no suspense to it. I'd like for a warning to which perspective the next chapter will be about, but even that would be a band-aid to the bigger problem.

Maybe that's because it's just getting started? But that's all the more reason to establish the through line. I can't say I don't care about what happens to these characters, but flipping around at this snails' pace punishes me for doing so. I've unsubscribed from the Patreon, hoping that doing so will encourage me to let the updates build up before I think about Homestuck^2 again. Maybe I'll start reading fanfic? Or writing my own? I don't know what will happen.

[pfeffer-29]

Pros:
I found the Davekat to be readable, which is a far cry from how it was in Meat. Good for you, writers.
The Dave/Kanaya feelings jam was adorable and heartbreaking. Also, it was nice seeing Dave interact with someone other than Karkat.
Less text walls! There were some, but not as many as before!
The art is good. I do miss the sharp-edged forced perspective of Homestuck, but the lighting and the colors are real nice.

Cons:
God dammit Jade is still useless. Jegus cripes. It would be nice if she could wake up, even if it were only for one interaction, only for her to comically drift off into a floating ghost coma again--or maybe the characters could talk about her more, instead of mentioning her once. Give Jade agency! Let her be a character and not a plot device! I don't care that "it makes sense because space players are lonely"; that's no excuse to expel Jade from the story!
Roxy is officially an eboy and I'm not sure I like it. Hussie's sickness is spreading. First Harry Anderson, and now Roxy. Homestuck will become Eboy Webcomic soon. There is no escape.
Roxy's and Karkat's interaction felt bland. Karkat was mildly frustrated and Roxy nearly emotionless, which is a shame considering how well Dave and Kanaya worked together.

[thorondraco]

Pros:
I found the Davekat to be readable, which is a far cry from how it was in Meat. Good for you, writers.
The Dave/Kanaya feelings jam was adorable and heartbreaking. Also, it was nice seeing Dave interact with someone other than Karkat.
Less text walls! There were some, but not as many as before!
The art is good. I do miss the sharp-edged forced perspective of Homestuck, but the lighting and the colors are real nice.

Cons:
God dammit Jade is still useless. Jegus cripes. It would be nice if she could wake up, even if it were only for one interaction, only for her to comically drift off into a floating ghost coma again--or maybe the characters could talk about her more, instead of mentioning her once. Give Jade agency! Let her be a character and not a plot device! I don't care that "it makes sense because space players are lonely"; that's no excuse to expel Jade from the story!
Roxy is officially an eboy and I'm not sure I like it. Hussie's sickness is spreading. First Harry Anderson, and now Roxy. Homestuck will become Eboy Webcomic soon. There is no escape.
Roxy's and Karkat's interaction felt bland. Karkat was mildly frustrated and Roxy nearly emotionless, which is a shame considering how well Dave and Kanaya worked together.

Could have been that the two of them don't get super along yet. Though roxy can be pretty hard to reader sometimes, has an issue with making his opinions heard. always has.

[pfeffer-29]

Could have been that the two of them don't get super along yet. Though roxy can be pretty hard to reader sometimes, has an issue with making his opinions heard. always has.

I don't think the characters not getting along or Roxy being shy is a good excuse for boring interactions. It's more of a writing problem. They certainly weren't unreadable, which was good, but it didn't feel like much was happening in their conversation.

[thorondraco]

Could have been that the two of them don't get super along yet. Though roxy can be pretty hard to reader sometimes, has an issue with making his opinions heard. always has.

I don't think the characters not getting along or Roxy being shy is a good excuse for boring interactions. It's more of a writing problem. They certainly weren't unreadable, which was good, but it didn't feel like much was happening in their conversation.

It defintiely felt more awkward. Though maybe it was meant to be awkward. Roxie doesn't like telling people what they should think or say, and didn't expect a question about pancakes to turn into that. But it still means that not much is going on still.

[egg]

Something being meant to be a certain way doesn't make it more interesting or better than what it was before that consideration is made. I think that's something that applies to Homestuck and its spin-offs as a whole.

[calamityCons]

I agree with egg. Just because an artist intends for a certain thing to be conveyed doesn't mean they necessarily succeeded, or that the product they create will be of value to everyone. If a studio made a film intended to discuss something like mundanity or boredom, and then showed a film staring at a blank street sign for two hours while interesting and unusual cars zipped by, it would be a really badly made movie as well as failing to convey what was intended.

[thorondraco]

I agree with egg. Just because an artist intends for a certain thing to be conveyed doesn't mean they necessarily succeeded, or that the product they create will be of value to everyone. If a studio made a film intended to discuss something like mundanity or boredom, and then showed a film staring at a blank street sign for two hours while interesting and unusual cars zipped by, it would be a really badly made movie as well as failing to convey what was intended.

That is a fair accessment, though personal opinions also apply. You ain't wrong even though i feel it was handled decently.

Think it ultimately handles having a very sad and morose feeling without it being extremely overwhelming like it was in the epilogues. There is a greater balance here.

[Blob55]

Yeah, this update made me throw up.

Dave is clearly full of shit.
Karkat is bragging about how great everything is, without realizing how terrible Jane is for Earth.
Jade isn't even a character.
Roxy is out of it.
Kanaya is Rose.

[VASKA]

Yeah, this update made me throw up.

Dave is clearly full of shit.
Karkat is bragging about how great everything is, without realizing how terrible Jane is for Earth.
Jade isn't even a character.
Roxy is out of it.
Kanaya is Rose.

This is a weird metric since I agree with almost everything here but I think it's a good thing. Different strokes, I guess.

[egg]

Dave is clearly full of shit.
Karkat is bragging about how great everything is, without realizing how terrible Jane is for Earth.
Jade isn't even a character.
Roxy is out of it.
Kanaya is Rose.

Jade being robbed of any and all agency as a person has been a thing since her character was introduced, and has only continued to be more egregious as time progresses.

[TH4NK YOU B3N]

God dammit Jade is still useless. Jegus cripes. It would be nice if she could wake up, even if it were only for one interaction, only for her to comically drift off into a floating ghost coma again--or maybe the characters could talk about her more, instead of mentioning her once. Give Jade agency! Let her be a character and not a plot device! I don't care that "it makes sense because space players are lonely"; that's no excuse to expel Jade from the story!

I think it's kind of weird how people will equate Jade's consciousness being held hostage by Alt Calliope as "being useless." I mean... yeah? Things aren't going great for her. I might even agree with what you guys are saying if you would use a different word. I'd say Alt Calliope considers her utility as a meat puppet to be much greater than Jade's utility as a person, so, uh, gross? I don't need her to be useful, because that would require the team actually having an objective, but I do need her to be happy. I mean, I don't need that, not right away. I just think it'd be nice.

Also, remember who said "space players are lonely"? Alt Calliope. Kanaya never knocks out, so maybe Alt Calliope just said that to be terrible.

At least we now know why Lord English had to find and double-kill his sister. Aside from all the bad and evil things he did, Caliborn did nothing wrong.

Roxy is officially an eboy and I'm not sure I like it. Hussie's sickness is spreading. First Harry Anderson, and now Roxy. Homestuck will become Eboy Webcomic soon. There is no escape.

The heart glasses aren't even Hussie's idea. That's just how everyone drew him in fanart for some reason. Roxy's hair is just Dave's hair with Roxy's swirl. So I have to ask

This is a weird metric since I agree with almost everything here but I think it's a good thing. Different strokes, I guess.

How did you interpret "Kanaya is Rose?"

[thorondraco]

Dave is clearly full of shit.
Karkat is bragging about how great everything is, without realizing how terrible Jane is for Earth.
Jade isn't even a character.
Roxy is out of it.
Kanaya is Rose.

Jade being robbed of any and all agency as a person has been a thing since her character was introduced, and has only continued to be more egregious as time progresses.

They better have a moment where jade just straight up has ENOUGH of that. Have a scene where you see jade visibly fighting for control over her own body, cause she is tired of being used. She is probably more or less willing but i imagine Calliope hasn't left her body in years and it is really fuckin freaky. One day just pushes Calliope out irregardless of the consequences, just wants to be free damnit!

[calamityCons]

I agree with both thoron and egg on Jade's situation. She's done everything in her life to benefit and support the efforts of everyone but herself, whether it be the prophecies of Skaia, the weight of heroism placed on her by Prospit, her herculean efforts to keep her session going as smoothly as possible and literally ALL of the magic space shit she did in Cascade to save everyone she possibly could. She does all of this shit and her reward is to be alone and suffer 5ever. Thanks, I hate it.

[thorondraco]

I agree with both thoron and egg on Jade's situation. She's done everything in her life to benefit and support the efforts of everyone but herself, whether it be the prophecies of Skaia, the weight of heroism placed on her by Prospit, her herculean efforts to keep her session going as smoothly as possible and literally ALL of the magic space shit she did in Cascade to save everyone she possibly could. She does all of this shit and her reward is to be alone and suffer 5ever. Thanks, I hate it.

More like, i want to see her finally stop accepting her fate and do something about it. Payoff for everything she has endured, defiance to what paradox space wants for her to do.

[Blob55]

Dave is clearly full of shit.
Karkat is bragging about how great everything is, without realizing how terrible Jane is for Earth.
Jade isn't even a character.
Roxy is out of it.
Kanaya is Rose.

Jade being robbed of any and all agency as a person has been a thing since her character was introduced, and has only continued to be more egregious as time progresses.

Which is why I HC Candy Jade as someone who'll do something even more important that coma and dead Jade, to show she is worthwhile as a person.

[thorondraco]

I just noticed that Jade's head exorcist turns in this chapter... Yea nice to make everyone not totally unsettled, Calliope, emphasize that you demonically body-snatched her.

[thorondraco]

Here is my question about the comic going forward. Will we be sticking to certain story points and go in order? Or as we are now getting 2 updates monthly unless the patreon tanks, will they jump between these currently disparate story beats?

To reference we may have at least 3 points of view. Team dirk, Candy drama rama, and now we have a peak of the going on with team GIVE ME MY FUCKIN WIFE, or GMMFW. Hoewver i feel like we won't see tooo much of Team Dirk. So that leaves gmmfw and Drama rama as the focuses. Will we just see more of one or will we peak into both stories at once?