On the future of Homestuck

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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by calamityCons » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:35 pm

Perhaps a better question is "should Homestuck be made Creative Commons?" Because Creative Commons is how the SCP Foundation survives and can have things in it be published by official sources while still being mainly crowdsourced and have different verses.
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by thorondraco » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:48 pm

calamityCons wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:35 pm
Perhaps a better question is "should Homestuck be made Creative Commons?" Because Creative Commons is how the SCP Foundation survives and can have things in it be published by official sources while still being mainly crowdsourced and have different verses.
That be something of an idea. Whole idea with homestuck is that there are multiple unvierses as yet unseen.

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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by PilotBlackSmith » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:02 pm

I just wish the team mentioned a lot more of fan stuff besides just Vast Error
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by eldomtom2 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:49 pm

calamityCons wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:35 pm
Perhaps a better question is "should Homestuck be made Creative Commons?" Because Creative Commons is how the SCP Foundation survives and can have things in it be published by official sources while still being mainly crowdsourced and have different verses.
You have no understanding of copyright. Creative Commons has nothing to do with how the SCP Foundation works. All it requires (in the case of the SCP Foundation) is that SCP works are properly attributed and shared under an identical license. It has nothing whatsover to do with keeping an "official" SCP Foundation.

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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by calamityCons » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:35 pm

eldomtom2 wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:49 pm
You have no understanding of copyright. Creative Commons has nothing to do with how the SCP Foundation works. All it requires (in the case of the SCP Foundation) is that SCP works are properly attributed and shared under an identical license. It has nothing whatsover to do with keeping an "official" SCP Foundation.
I mean, fair enough? Let's rephrase the question into "make Homestuck more like the SCP Foundation and decentralize its Canon Content."
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by eldomtom2 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:45 pm

..."decentralize its canon content" could mean anything. Make public domain and creative commons separate options on a question like "Do you think the copyright status of Homestuck should be changed, and if so how?"

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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by ThePungeonMaster » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:43 pm

Well, here it is. Hope it's to your satisfaction.
https://forms.gle/i5jEX5v4xuAGPqBX9
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by Khiara » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:25 pm

I'm on it!

I think the question to rate the meta stuffs should be separated. Meta in PQ and HS^2 are not the same--even though they might be related.
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by ThePungeonMaster » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:08 pm

5 more days before results are tallied: So far roughly 700 submissions.
EDIT: Something that hasn't had a significant impact on the results, but is worth noting: I forgot to put in a haven't read/played option for Pesterquest, the Epilogues and HS^2. If you have not read/played any of those 3, simply enter a 5 for that question.
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by luigi » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:40 am

[not allowed to have opinions]
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by RoyalFiddle » Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:34 pm

Damn Homestuck, it killed Homestuck
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by ThePungeonMaster » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:14 pm

Welp, that's it: 758 responses in total. I'll get the answers up by the end of the day.
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by calamityCons » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:27 pm

I'm happy that the responses increased by 25% of the original response rate!
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by ThePungeonMaster » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:46 am

Hoo boy, tallying the results for this and finding the averages was a real bitch. But I did it, and here's the results of it. It'll be like the last one where I post what I thought and my reactions to the answers in real time some time after I actually post the results, because just getting them was hard enough, but, here they are.
What I’m posting here are the results with averages, and more general statistics, if you want to see the real thing you should be able to see it here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... sp=sf_link
Something I’m going to address off the bat is how many 0s there were for a lot of the questions. I’m going to say it off the bat, I don’t know where they came from. Heck, at first I considered counting it as an outlier, but I couldn’t find a good reason to. At first I suspected it was from people who just hadn’t participated in those areas of Homestuck, but even after amending that “answer 5 if you haven’t read” rule, the proportional amount of 0s didn’t change, if anything it went up. Next I thought it was from people bombing the submissions, but in the time I spent I couldn’t find any evidence of that. In short, I have no reason to believe any of the answers are incorrect or misleading, despite the prevalence of overwhelmingly negative answers.

What platform do you use to find and discuss Homestuck related content most often?:
Discord: 30.1%
Reddit: 23.2%
Twitter: 19.9%
Other: 16.9%
Tumblr: 8%
XYZ Forums: 1.8%

Top 5 Answers for favorite Pesterquest route:
Jade: 16.4%
John: 13.2%
Aradia: 9.9%
Dave: 9.4%
Roxy: 8.8%

Top 5 Answers for least favorite Pesterquest route:
Vriska: 29%
Gamzee: 13.6%
Feferi: 9.1%
Eridan: 7%
Kanaya: 6.1%
(Of note, roughly the same percent answered that Eridan was their favorite route, at 5.4%)

Do you engage with Homestuck fan-fiction?:
Yes, mostly on AO3: 34.4%
No: 29.6%
Yes, mostly on MSFPA: 28.9%
“I only watched/read/listened to Detective Pony.”: 7.1%

How would you rate the execution of meta elements in HS^2/Pesterquest?:
Scale of 1-10, Average: 4.14

Do you think there should be more fan involvement in HS^2?:
Scale of 1-5, Average: 3.07

Do you think Homestuck should be made public domain/put under creative commons license?
Scale of 1-5, Average: 3.12

Are you optimistic or pessimistic for the future of Homestuck?
Scale of 1-5, Average: 2.65

Rate the quality of Pesterquest:
Scale of 0-10, Average: 5.9

Rate the quality of HS^2:
Scale of 0-10, Average: 4.5

Rate the quality of the Epilogues:
Scale of 0-10, Average: 4.5

Rate the quality of Homestuck acts 1-5:
Scale of 0-10, Average: 9

Rate the quality of Homestuck act 6:
Scale of 0-10, Average: 7.5

For Where do you think Homestuck^2's strong/weak points lie, you’d probably be better off looking at the poll.

Do you like Vriska:
Scale of 1-5, Average: 3.07

Do you like Dirk:
Scale of 1-5, Average: 3.43

And lastly, the top pics from: What do you want to see from Homestuck related projects in the future?:
-At least 50 people answered Hiveswap, can't really blame 'em
-More experimentation with Homestucks current direction
-A return to form for Homestuck
-More stuff written by Hussie, less stuff written by fans
-Give fans more control over Homestucks direction, but like, actually, instead of the cop-out way they're currently doing it
-More content like Detective Pony or Theatre of Coolty
-"Worldbuilding, catharsis, gay boys"
-New forumspace
-More stuff like the extended zodiac, which informs Homestuck's world, something like an SBURB players guide or something in that vein
-More stuff pertaining to SBURB in general
-Just make it less shit
-Some guy who answered in Russian
-June Egbert in cannon
-Soft reboot and end to ongoing HS cannon
-Like 4 guys that just answered "Yes"
-Surprising amount of people just wanted Nepeta
-More Dirk content
-Beat the shit out of Dirk
-Scratch that, two guys who answered in Russian
-A lot of people said they didn't care so long as it was good
-Two guys answered with a request for a Homestuck fighting game (NGL that'd be dope)
-A less serious tone
-Less meta in general
And one guy whose points I don't really agree with but whose efforts I respect:
"Hussie emerging from the cryogenic coffin, having bitten off his own hand in order to escape the glycol fueled prison that had trapped him in all those years ago. Blood drips and freezes to the exterior of the machinery as he wipes the frost from his brow with the ragged remains of his drawing hand; Act 6, he was about to start Act 6. The Kickstarter! The Finale! It all had to be stopped before it was too late. He staggers into the dim twilight, shattering his clavicle against the bolted basement door. My god, how long has it been? Is Obama still the President? What have they done? He flags down a pedestrian with his flailing bloody stump, collapsing into the street from exhaustion. As the crowd gathers and sirens can be heard in the distance, a young woman leans in to hear the words of this frozen, bedraggled form: "I fucking hate this meta shit." You want an honest answer? Burn it all. I've been reading MSPA since Problem Sleuth, and let me tell you, the shit you're putting out is a goddamned travesty. You should all be fucking ashamed. Go do something with your lives, you parasites. PS: Hussie, if you read this, get your shit together and ditch these dweebs. Go make some content for christ sakes."

Common criticisms for the test I'll be sure to keep in mind next time:
Questions based on HS^2 and Pesterquest were mandatory, though not everyone has played/read them.
I combined the meta of Pesterquest and Homestuck into one question, instead of asking for a rating of both separately.
Other comments about questions I should have added or left out.

TL:DR: The Homestuck community is more goddamn divided than America's current political state.
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by Khiara » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:39 am

The results about HS^2's strong and weak points... how surprising.

Anyway, well done, PungeonMaster. :orange:
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by calamityCons » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:02 am

The presence of those overwhelmingly negative answers and how large they are in comparison to the other data points jn the graph make me kind of pleasantly surprised? It at least helps me feel less like an asshole for not being on board with HS^2’s meta wanking.
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by thorondraco » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:38 am

Ya i feel like this was still too early. Cause........ Seriously, we just got off some MORE drama a few weeks ago.

Shit like this needs at least a year to go through. This WAS a lot better than the last attempt though, good work on that. The last one was a lot of bad faith questions.

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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by 1neStar » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:25 am

ThePungeonMaster wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:46 am
-Some guy who answered in Russian
I want to see it.
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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by Cherry_Bugs_ » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:26 am

i don't really have any idea on what i think might happen, but my 2 cents is that, since i only very recently joined the fandom, it might die before i really get the chance to be a part of it (especially considering i havent actually finished reading homestuck) which would suck :/
maybe follow me on tumblr? https://cherry-bugs.tumblr.com/ or maybe my ao3?? (i will be posting homestuck fics in the future) https://archiveofourown.org/users/Cherry_Bugs or maybe join my hs discord server? https://discord.gg/S2wHY4g

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Re: On the future of Homestuck

Post by BrobyDDark » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:28 am

I wanna know what the Homestuck crew thinks of these results.

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