TH4NK YOU B3N wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:03 pm
I'd rather read Dirk as AMAB these days. I know you can disregard the epilogues, but if I were a trans guy (I am) I would have contemplated my gender quite a bit and still be confident enough in it. And, honestly, I really like Roxy and how they transitioned later in life. It explains why Roxy kept hitting on Dirk, I guess? Unconsciously trying to find validation? It's kinda cringe, but gender feelings aren't always going to sublimated in healthy ways. If I accept Roxy as transmasculine I sort of have to go with AMAB Dirk.
I'm definitely not qualified to talk about the whole Dirk and gender thing but at least personally I've had a lot of friends who made me fall in love with transmasc dirk. And....uh. I don't see why accepting transmac Roxy would mean transmac Dirk couldn't be a thing? In fact I think the idea adds a whole lot of depth to Roxy + Dirk's whole issues, especially with Roxy's harassment. Just a whole 'nother LEVEL of complexity to add to these kids' already fraught relationships.
TH4NK YOU B3N wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:03 pm
It was always bad, imo. Doomed to not worked out. Do you know why, in Homestuck proper, we only see Dirk copies interact with Jake rather than Dirk himself? Because that's the Dirk he loves. Jake loves the idea of a domineering, assertive, hypermasculine Dirk. The grand gestures, the drama, the romanticism, the adventure. These are traits Dirk considers to be toxic and abusive, the parts of him that he's afraid of and wishes he could change. That can get to you, when people like you the way you are but don't support where you want to go. Also, Brain Ghost Dirk feels no jealousy when it comes to Jake's attraction to women. I think that's too much to ask for. And you don't go askin' people to go opening up about their feelings if all you're going to do is dismiss them with a lazy reassurance.
Uuuuhhh. I sort of think you're just flat-out wrong, here? Like. I genuinely don't understand what reading of the text gives you the impression that Jake literally in any way likes the domineering, assertive, or hypermasculine parts of Dirk's personality. Especially because the AR is the version of Dirk that exemplifies those traits far above and beyond what Dirk does, and Jake HATES that fucking thing. He insists that it ISN'T the real Dirk, not the one that he KNOWS would never act the way the AR does to him, and as far as he's concerned the AR is not HIS Dirk.
This reading of why only Dirk copies interact with Jake is...bizarre. It isn't even completely true, anyway, since the real Jake and the real Dirk do actually exchange words during the trickster arc. The point is that the two can never actually just sit down and have a conversation with each other without SOMETHING getting in the way. There is always some element keeping them from speaking directly and honestly to each other. It's not because that's the version 'jake likes', it is a narrative device to explicitly demonstrate the effects of their profound COMMUNICATION ISSUES. The whole PROBLEM with the alphas is not that any of them are fundamentally broken, or fundamentally toxic, or bad for each other. It's just that none of them are able to just fucking TALK to each other properly, and Jake and Dirk are the worst offenders because they literally DON'T ACTUALLY TALK DIRECTLY TO EACH OTHER, EVER.
The real things actually getting in the way of Dirk and Jake talking to each other honestly about their feelings are fear and uncertainty. Jake doesn't feel ready to talk about the romantic tension between them because he's quite hung up on both his sexuality, and also feeling conflicted over juggling the affections of multiple of his friends without wanting to upset anyone. Dirk doesn't feel like he can clear the air about things because of similar reasons. This awkward thing they refuse to talk about but both know is there hangs between them the entire time, making it impossible to communicate, and manifests as all of these other versions of Dirk literally getting in the way and preventing them from speaking to each other.
Other reasons the idea that Jake likes this hyper-masculine version of Dirk, other than his interactions with the AR, are that Brain Ghost Dirk pretty much....debunks that immediately??? Like. There is a lot going on, but it's clear to ME that above everything else Jake sees Dirk as a knight in shining armor. He is his automatic escape route, his savior, his protector. He's a protector in the form of Brobot that stops him from getting murdered by monsters and helps him feel safe enough to roam about his island, and he clearly doesn't see the robot as any kind of significant aggressor, because when Jake IS being aggro'd on by crockertier Jane he starts crying and talking about how he wants to feel safe, and the place he felt most safe was evidently on his island, and where the presence of the brobot was merely a 'feisty' one, and this feisty robot effectively eliminated the monsters he was so terrified of as a child as a source of fear completely. Dirk is a protector and an escape for Jake, too, romantically--when pressured by Jane's romantic pursuit, which he describes to Roxy as 'unrequited' immediately upon confirming they are real and not just in his imagination, he basically uses getting with Dirk as his escape route from having to deal with Jane's feelings at all.
And above all, in the game over timeline, when Jake is at his most vulnerable and most afraid, is when he manifests Brain Ghost Dirk into reality. When he's being verbally assaulted by Jane in Derse Jail, that's when he manifests a version of Dirk in his own head to be there to make him feel safer. He so connects Dirk with safety and security that he does it pretty much subconsciously. AND. When Aranea forcefully powers Jake up with Hope Powers, when he is at his MOST VULNERABLE and when all eyes are on him and the attention is unwanted--he has the power to make pretty much ANYTHING HE COULD POSSIBLY WANT a reality, and what does he do? He makes a version of Dirk to protect him. A version of Dirk that still calls him his boyfriend, despite the fact that they literally just broke up, despite the fact that Jake was THINKING OF breaking up with Dirk all damn day, showing that down to his core he still sees Dirk as his boyfriend. A version of Dirk that quotes the Princess Bride, a movie that is the exact kind of romantic cheesiness that Jake would be totally into. And the Princess Bride is a romance story about a girl name buttercup and her farmboy Westley, who does for her whatever she asks with just the words "as you wish" and serves as her valiant protector against unwanted romantic forces. It's pretty damn clear to me that in Jake's mind, he is Buttercup, and Dirk is his Westley. Hell, even in ANOTHER LIFETIME, as Grandpa Harley, he decorates his house with Orange Knights, symbolizing that even in another fucking lifetime his mental image of Dirk is as his valiant Knight and protector.
There may be some elements to that which involve toxic masculinity, there may be certain parts of that which are unfair to Dirk. But in my opinion it's ROMANTIC AS FUCK. Especially because Dirk is desperate to be needed in the way that Jake feels like he needs him, and maybe that dynamic would need to change as they grow older and Jake doesn't feel as afraid anymore, but like. God. Dirkjake is so fucking romantic, god, just kill me, I DIDN'T EVEN BRING UP THE GODDAMN LANTERN!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU KNOW THE ORANGE LANTERN THAT EXPLODES WHEN JAKE KISSES HIS SEVERED HEAD FROM THE SHEER INTENSITY OF HIS FEELINGS? HOW JAKE'S LOVE AND SUPPORT LITERALLY EMPOWERS HIM TO DO THE THINGS HE THINKS HE'S INCAPABLE OF? HOW JAKE BELIEVES IN HIM AND IN HIS ABILITY TO BE GOOD DOWN TO HIS VERY CORE EVEN WHEN DIRK CAN'T BELIEVE IN HIMSELF???? HOW DIRK TRIES TO MODEL ALL THE BEST PARTS OF HIMSELF AFTER DAVE, A KNIGHT, AND RATHER THAN JAKE SOMEHOW ENCOURAGING ALL OF THE WORST PARTS OF DIRK'S POTENTIAL THAT HE HATES, HE IN FACT ENCOURAGES THE BEST PARTS OF HIMSELF? THE ONES DIRK LIKES THE MOST, BECAUSE THEY ARE MODELED AFTER HIS IDOL?
GOD I'M GONNA CRY.
I'm SO DONE with gay romances being doomed to be 'tragic'. How both gay men in women can never REALLY be together because somehow the tragedy of their lives is more 'interesting' and 'realistic'. I'm just sick of it.