This current arrangement that me and the VE fanbase have is notably temporary, I feel. If we keep up at this rate, as a creator, it would be overwhelming to continue as we are. This is sort of my philosophy when it comes to this constant sense of communication and response, I see it almost like you knowing you have a very limited time to do this sort of thing, to be this engaged in the discussion (for better or for worse). Eventually, even if I'm still "unprofessional" or making mistakes, there is going to be a time in the relatively near future where I am not able to answer these kinds of questions or make funny tweets on the regular. At least not in this specific capacity. I doubt there will ever be a day where I'm LACKING in things to say and conversation to spark, but eventually it'll simply be a personal endeavor, rather than me speaking on behalf of anything. Much less VE and how it's handled.Tarty_ wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:54 pmThis feels like something I should address, one abrasive e-funnyman to another. You can't bottle up things under a layer of apathy forever. Sooner or later that apathy is going to come out, leaking it's disgusting sticky apathy fluids all over the place. It's best to take action, or you'll end up regretting it in the future. Let me just throw my rusty chipped two cents into the ring. The Vast Error readerbase has gotten big, a lot bigger than you expected certainly, you said it yourself. So now's probably the time to rethink how you approach community interaction, how the community acts and your attachment to it.
Like you said, it's all a learning experience. I'm taking everything I'm doing here and I'm going to use it as a basis for whatever I do next, and to improve.
I'll never really be gone, I'll just change. I already have in a lot of ways.
I've written a bit about her and Pozzol a few months ago here:
This is really all I have to say about her at the moment besides what the comic shows for now. Though we may see her again in the future! Who knows?
Nepotism aside, I think this is probably a good jumping point to finally make a comment about these things specifically. I feel comfortable doing it here, though I don't think I have as much to say about it as I do with other facets of VE's creative process because to be frank, these are things that require more listening than discussion on my part.Momo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:57 pmThere have been very fair criticisms of its tendency to grab cultural artifacts thoughtlessly (originally naming the compecados Wendigos, Murrit's dialogue) But I believe Heather, Austin & Co are empathetic enough people to work on this element and interrogate it. Vast Error is ultimately worked on by a broad range of people who want to come together to make something good, and I believe in them.
The Lefty Situation remains to be one of my biggest regrets in VE's creative timeline. Thoughtlessly is the correct word here, more on the side of ignorance and misunderstanding for that case specifically. I didn't really comprehend the gravity of using the concept, as from consuming other various pieces of media in the past, I saw the utilization of wendigo as something akin to using a famous movie monster. I wasn't under the impression it held genuine significance to native people and as such, when the question was broached I saw it more as a joke or a minor complaint as opposed to something that could be construed as anything akin to appropriation. Not doing my research and not listening initially is on me, and I explained that in my apology. We did the right thing in changing it, even though I know some folks will forever see it as a major stain on VE's track record and it has soured my relationship with a few people. I may regret the fact that it had to happen at all, but I do not regret it happening. I would much rather be told that what I am doing is wrong and to change it than double down and pretend like everything is okay.
Murrit is a much more complicated story, and I have always been willing to accept amicable discussion about it from those who wish to respectfully voice their concerns. Initially, the reaction on both sides was very hostile because it came from a callout post created from a person who has a long standing relationship of pestering and manipulating people around the comic/HS fanbase. I do think there's something to be said about how the way he speaks encourages the idea of a stereotype, even if unintentionally. While he was not written to BE anywhere near a stereotype (he was written to essentially be me without any kind of filter when pushing his facade and was initially concepted as being a jersey boy a la Jersey Shore. boy 2011 sure was a year.), there are undeniably aspects of AAVE that slip into his speech simply through cultural osmosis from years of its cultivation into meme culture and warped shorthands. This isn't necessarily a fault of the comic itself, but when you take it all into account? It begins to add up. The fact that I accidentally called Arcjec's human interpretation a "normal white american" in the initial post that got called out didn't really help the situation either, but that was much more a fault of my grammar than me actually thinking that white means the norm. I was going for something like: "he's average 80's sitcom normal, and he is white". Also the original mockup of human designs was also made almost three years ago now and I don't think either me or Heather agree with its contents anymore. But regardless, the conversation still stands. And while I can't change Murrit or his manner of speaking, I would like to take the thoughts from other black readers who feel this way and be able to talk about HOW and WHY he does these things in a manner I haven't been able to before.
I doubt these two things will be the last major discourses VE has, but like you said, I really want to take these things and think about them as much as possible. And like I said up earlier in this post, VE continues to be a learning experience. Only from this kind of stuff, can we find ways to do better in the future.
It sucks, but sometimes things need to suck for people to figure things out. I'm not immune from this.